Did you know you should NOT use Thiamine or B complex while treating coccidia with Corid? While Corid would be my last go to treatment, its important that we know how to use it correctly and safely if we do use it. Coccidia needs thiamine to thrive, "Structurally, CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition" Giving thiamine or B complex while doing corid treatment will actually work against Corids' effectiveness. Instead, have it ready and keep a close eye on the goat for signs of polio. If seen, stop Corid and start the thiamine. Signs of Polio are: stargazing, walking excitability, circling, diarrhea, muscle tremors, and blindness... We find Corid most effectiveness when diluted and dosed as followed: Mix 6 tablespoons of prepared corid to 16 oz water.... you can make a smaller batch by cutting it in half....then dose it at ... 30cc per 100lbs 15cc per 50lbs 7.5 per 25 lbs DO NOT ADD TO DRINKING WATER...its better to dose to each animals to be sure they get what they need. While we so have IMO better choices, Toltrazuril, DiMethox, Albon, SulfaDrug or Sulmet...Corid maybe the only treatment some can get their hands on. Using it correctly is important..
Always follow 3-4 hours after antibiotic or wormer treatments with probiotics to restore flora...
Famancha score, Fecals and Condition of your goat (ie: coat, weight ect..) are all tools we should use when determining if we should treat..treating worms on a schedule rather then when needed causes resistance to our wormers...It is best to use a wormer until it no longer works..then switch to a new one..
here are some choices we have...there are lots more..but these are most common...to know if your wormer is working..have a fecal done...worm then in 2 1/2 weeks or so..have an other fecal done...
Ivomec and Ivomec plus ( this stings, expect a reaction)
1 cc per 40# Sub Q
1 cc per 33# orally
IVOMEC DRENCH FOR SHEEP0.08% Solution:
Dose is 3 mls. per 18 lbs. for goats
1 cc per 10# orally
for tape worm..use 3 days in a row
1cc per 100# ( BE SAFE, this does not have a wide safety margin. Disperse out into a clean dish then draw up the dose in a new syringe
Prohibit . ( levamisole hydrochloride) ** warning** DO NOT USE if your goat is ill or down. Can cause death
to mix: add powder to 17.5 oz water, stir until dissolved dose 4 cc per 100#
Safeguard/panacure...no longer works in many areas...
horse/cattle product is 4 times the dose
goats 1 cc per 5#
for tape worm...use 3 days in a row..
Cydectin for cattle Pour on.....NOT RECOMMENDED
I know many use this as an oral drench...and it works..but consider what its made of, the carrier that is oily and smells of paint thinner..there are better and safer choices to worm with...even as a pour on, cows skin is much thicker then goats...this can cause harm...
Cydectin for Sheep, 4.5mL per 25lbs
Baycox, 1 cc per 5 # at 3 weeks old..booster in 10 days if needed
Dimethox (albon) 1 cc per 5# day one 1 cc per 10# day 2-5 Undiluted
For preventive, some prefer doing 1 cc per 10# for five days...see what works for you.
This also comes in a powder form labled sulfadimethoxine..a 107 g bag. To mix, disolve into 3 cups water. store in the frig, dose as you would above..
Dimethox also come in injectable form which can be given orally at the same as rate above however, again, some give 1 cc per 16# day one and 1 cc per 32 pounds day 2-5...this is another place where depended on how resistance your area is willdepend on the strength you need togive.
Sulmet, same dose as Dimethox
** Dimethox and Sulmet is no longer available over the counter**
My personal Last choice...
Corid: Mix 6 tablespoons corid to 16 oz water....
you can make a smaller batch by cutting it in half.... then dose it at ... 30cc per 100lbs 15cc per 50lbs 7.5 per 25 lbs
Corid has been known to cause goat polio. It is best NOT to give any b vitamin while using corid, however if you notice baby acting off, drunken, star gazing, dancing eyes ect..stop corid and dose baby with thiamine...continue thiamine treatment for 24 hours AFTER all symptoms are gone
Antibiotics, most often used
Dont feed milk 4 hours after antibioitcs. To clarify no yogurt, cows milk, formula mixes for four hours. Natural breast milk for the species is fine after 2 hours. Cows milk has an enzyme that deactivates many antibiotics especially of the Tetracycline classes ( NOTE: Liz Weir called the company that makes LA 20o and was told this is true only if given orally)
Nuflor....3 cc per 100# once daily once daily
Baytril 100...4 cc per 100# sub Q once daily
Naxcel 4-5 cc per 100# sub Q..kids 1/2 cc or 1 cc per 25#
Tylan 200...1 cc per 25# sub Q twice daily
La 200...1 cc per 20# sub Q once daily ( try to get Biomycin, same meds, less sting)
Penicillin Procaine 1 cc per 20# sub Q twice daily
Pain, inflammation, fever reducer
Banamine: 1 cc per 100# sub q up to 3 days.
Dexamethason ( dex) dose depends on whats being addressed.I found this helpful post.
taken from : Goat 101 Saanendoah info
CAUTION: Do not use in pregnant does, it can cause them to abort.
USES AND DOSE RATES: use the smallest dose that achieves the desired effect in order to limit adverse side effects. In general, anti-inflammatory doses are 10 times the physiological levels, doses to suppress the immune system are twice the anti-inflammatory dose, and doses to treat shock are 5 to 10 times the immunosuppressive dose.
Used as an antiinflammatory it prevents the development of the inflammatory response. As an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever for joint and bone injuries (dose rate: 1/2 to 1ml/20 lbs).
For head injuries or "brain burn" following too vigorous disbudding (1-2mg/20 lbs).
For shock (1-2mg/20 lbs). To : 1. Increase capillary blood flow (improved circulation), 2. Decrease absorption of endotoxins, 3. Decrease production of Myocardial Depressant Factor 4. Decrease organ damage.
Following stroke or other cerebral vascular accidents (1-2mg/20 lbs).
Combined with thiamine (B1) to help reverse brain swelling associated with polioencephalomalacia .
Ketosis (4-8ml). Glucocorticoid reaction. The gluconeogenic effects of dexamethasone, when administered intramuscularly, are generally noted within the first 6-12 hours (faster via IV route). Blood sugar levels rise to normal levels within 12-24 hours. Acetone bodies are reduced to normal concentrations usually within 24 hours. The physical attitude of animals brightens and appetite improves, usually within 12 hours. Milk production, which is suppressed as a compensatory reaction in this condition, begins to increase. The recovery process usually takes from three to seven days.
Allergic reactions to insect bites or other allergins (1/2 to 1ml/20 lbs).
As supportive therapy in mastitis, metritis, traumatic gastritis and pyelonephritis, while appropriate primary therapy is administered. In these cases, the corticosteroid combats accompanying stress and enhances the feeling of general well-being.
As supportive therapy while an animal is recuperating from severe debilitation and therefore eats better during the very critical period of early recuperation (dose rate: 1-2 mg/20 lbs 5-8ml to an adult doe, repeat in 12-24 hours ).
As supportive therapy in inflammatory conditions, such as arthritic conditions, snake bite, acute mastitis, shipping fever, pneumonia, laminitis and retained placenta.
To induce labor (parturation) before 144 days. Dex is the drug of choice for increasing the chance of live kids when inducing labor/paturation before 144 days.
May be used in animals with acute or chronic bacterial infections providing that the infections are controlled with appropriate antibiotics or chemotherapeutic agents.
CAUTIONS: Because of the anti-inflammatory action of corticosteroids, signs of infection may be masked. Overdosage of some glucocorticoids may result in sodium retention, fluid retention, potassium loss and weight gain.
DO NOT USE in combination with medications of the NSAID class (ie, Banamine (flunixin meglumine), aspirin, phenylbutazone (bute) [note: Bute may reduce the effects of corticosteroids], etc.) the combination of these medications could lead to bleeding in the stomach or intestine.
CONTRAINDICATIONS : Except for emergency therapy, do not use in animals with chronic nephritis (kidney disease). The existence of congestive heart failure, diabetes and osteoporosis are relative contraindications. Do not use in viral infections during the viremic stage.
WITHDRAWAL : Meat none. Milk 72 hours.
STORAGE : Store between 2-30°C (36-86°F).
Aspirin: Dose 325mg (1 adult aspirin) per 10 lbs.
While aspirin dose is the same no matter the age ( 325mg per 10#) babies may do better taking baby aspirin. Baby aspirin is 81mg and would need about 4 per 10#, I would not feed that many to the goat but a few baby aspirin may help take the edge off
B complex 4-5 cc per 100# sub Q once daily as needed
Fortified B complex 4-5 cc per 100# once daily sub Q as needed
B complex Plus 4-5 cc per 100# once daily sub Q as needed
Thiamine (B1) 100 mg is 4 1/2 cc per 100#, 25 mg must be given 4 times the dose...
B 12 4 cc per 100# sub Q once daily as needed
Vit C... 1000-3000 mg a day...you can give more if needed, they will pee out what is not needed.
BoSe, injectable selenium, 1 cc per 40# sub Q
Red Cell 6 cc per 100#
Injectable pig iron 4 cc per 100# sub Q ( always have Epi, Dex or benadryl ready to give)
Tetanus antitoxin 2 cc for kids and 4 cc for adults
CD &T 2 cc sub q all ages and size...should not be given before 2 1/2 -3 months old as immune systems are not ready for it to be effective
Benadryl 5 ml (teaspoon) for very young kids 15-20 ml for adults
CD Antitoxin...see dose below
kids under 6lbs 3ccs injected SQ every 12hours
kids 6-15lbs 5ccs injected SQ every 12 hours. kids 15-20lbs: 10ccs injected SQ every 12 hours. For adults- 80lb goat will get 20ccs injected SQ every 12 hours
Activated Charcol: Sheep & Goats: 1-3 mL per kilogram (2.2 lbs) body weight.
Milk of Magnesia 15 cc per 60# orally every 4-6 hours as needed
Pepto, 2-5 cc for kids 10-15 cc for adult
Cylence 1 cc per 25# down the top line..safe for pregnant does and young kids
Enterotoxemia, also known as overeating or pulpy kidney disease, is a condition caused by Clostridium perfringens type D. Under specific conditions, these bacteria can rapidly reproduce in the animal’s intestine, producing large quantities of toxins. The epsilon toxin produced by C. perfringens Type D is the most significant toxin in producing the disease. Young animals are most susceptible. Sudden and high mortality rates may occasionally occur in lambs and kids. Although adult animals are also susceptible to enterotoxemia, they develop immunity due to frequent exposure to low doses of these toxins.-per college of veterinary medicine, Georgia
The peracute form is most frequent in young animals. It is characterized by sudden death that occurs approximately 12 hours after the first signs of the disease appear. Some kids or lambs may show signs of central nervous disease, such as excitement or convulsions. Sudden death may occur in only minutes in kids or lambs showing neurological disease. Typical clinical signs include:
Sluggish rumen leads to Enterotoxemia. Goat may have slight rumen sound, but has runny stool, off feed, laying off to herself..maybe grinding her teeth. You need to jump into action to restore flora...
Stop grain/milk, keep hay, alfalfa, natural browse food in from of the goat. Babies on bottle or mom should stop milk and replace milk with electrolytes in bottle. Adults need to stay hydrated...offer electrolytes to encourage more fluid in take
cd antitoxin based on dose mentioned above^
Milk of magnesia
To help restore function of the rumen
give probiotics AND
room temp Beer at room temp and/or
Quality Peppermint Ess. oil and or Digestive blend
in severe cases you can give a rumen bolus, *steal a cud from a healthy goat
* to steal a cud. Easier said then done, but it has been done!! Please be aware, the goats back teeth are razor sharp. You will need a wooden spoon or something to place between the jaw to prevent the goat from chomping down.
Find a goat who just settled down. stay close and be ready. Have a helper have a jar ready..have a wooden spoon or other safe item to block jaw from closing all the way. Wait until you see that cud come up the throat and into the goats mouth, now fast like lightening and swift as a Ninja, jump into action...grab the goats head, open her mouth, place your safety item between jaw and grab that cud....it will smell to high heaven..it will feel warm and gross...but don’t let go...get what you can and get out...that goat will now give you the stink eye. Put the cud in the jar. NOW, go wash your hands :) and count all your fingers!
Mix some water in with the cud and stir..draw 30 cc or so up in a drenching syringe and drench the sick goat...
here is a good video that will show a safe for your fingers method..
DID YOU KNOW Cydectin cattle pour on can harm your goat? While it has been proven an effective wormer given orally to goats, the risk it carries makes me stay far away from it. But those who choose to use it should at least understand what they are drenching their goats with so lets examine what this product is..
Cydectin cattle pour on is designed as a pour for the thick Hyde of a cow..not the thin skinned goat, not as an oral medication..Just look at what it contains...
Contains 5 mg moxidectin per ml. it also has naphtha petroleum, light aromatic solvent; (Petroleum naphtha is an intermediate hydrocarbon liquid stream derived from the refining of crude oil. It is most usually desulfurized and then catalytically reformed, which re-arranges or re-structures the hydrocarbon molecules in the naphtha as well as breaking some of the molecules into smaller molecules to produce a high-octane component of gasoline (or petrol).) polypropylene glycol monomyristyl ether propionate: ( Propylene glycol is the third “product” in a chemical process beginning with propene, a byproduct of fossil fuel (oil refining and natural gas processing) and also found in nature as a byproduct of fermentation.) and isobutylene homopolymer Used as a sealant, an adhesive, a coating, and an additive to polymers and lubricating oils; Used to make butyl rubber with the addition of 2% isoprene; [Hawley] Used as a sticky substance to repel pigeons and other birds (Roost-No-More);
These things are to help the Moxidectin STICK to the cows thick hyde and be water proof ... Warnings are to wear goggles, gloves and dose in ventilated area.. So how does this harm our goats?? First off, as a pour on it wont help with internal parasites of goats, it does however have the potential to burn their skin. Next..as a oral medication, yes, it kill worms..FAST, so if your goat is heavy burdened with worms, the potential for mass kill off can cause toxicity from the dead worm load the body can not break down and flush fast enough..NEXT the mass kill can cause bleed out as the worms detach from its feeding spot..and finally if all that, and its smell, does not scare you just a little, Cydecten cattle pour on will coat the intestines of your goat as it would a cows hyde..which can interfere with nutritional absorption.
I know many use this. Many vets recommend it. And Yes, It works in most areas...that is not my purpose here. My purpose is to inform..know what you are putting in your goats...
I want you to know, We have other choices, cydectin sheep drench, cydectin injectable, Horse pastes. We have ivomecs and white wormers and we have herbs and ess. oils. We do not need to use this product internally in our goats. But if you choose to, know what you are giving....